Can someone teach you about business success without having done it themselves? This seems to be a big question, these days, as workshops and 1to1 mentoring become a popular way to monetize experience. (Full disclosure: I do both)
In my mind, the simple answer is No. (Actually NO! I discussed some of this in a recent post titled Knowing Ain’t Doing on the Startup-Strategy.com blog.)
When I started with Pictage in April 2004, the first person who took time to “educate” me about the wedding photography was Gary Fong – who was on the Board of Directors at Pictage, at the time. I will always be indebted to him for explaining in clear, lucid terms, how the wedding industry had changed when digital began to overtake the film workflow. While Gary and I do not always see eye-to-eye on stuff, he recently offered another bit of advice I think is just as insightful and dead-on, and should become a rule in our business.
Basically, and I’m paraphrasing, he said that when evaluating where to spend your money on industry education or leadership… Ask For Proof (of their expertise and how they know the subject matter.)
To this I say “Ab-so-luckin-futely!” In the same way that you must review instructors’ work-product (images) before paying for training or advice on technical matters (e.g. lighting), be equally diligent on asking for that proof when evaluating the “softer” skills, like business workshops or mentoring. If you wouldn’t consider taking an expensive class on capture techniques from someone who doesn’t have any images to show you, why would you take a business class from someone whose has no “proven” successes of their own, either past or present? (I’ve recently heard of someone teaching business success who openly admits their own business is failing. Whassup with that?)
Using me as an example, I am totally comfortable teaching small businesses how to create the fundamentals of business success (Goals, Strategies, Positioning, Unique Differentiators, Execution, Outsourcing, Operations) because I’ve experienced successful creation and deployment of those things in multiple artist-based industries, including this one, both with my own startups and those created by others. Follwing that logic, I would NOT be a good choice for How to Shoot, or anything that dealt with capture techniques. (The closest I get is doing Fusion classes, where I’m really an evangelist and talk about the ways to get PAID for it, rather than create it.)
And, also know that “proof” is kind of slippery. There are really three kinds, Social Proof, Paid Proof and Real Proof.
- Social Proof is when other people tell you how great the service or product is, offering their subjective opinions. This is often an evangelist or endorsement from someone who has experienced the class or teaching as a student and wishes to report their positive experience or results.
- Paid Proof looks a lot like Social Proof (and sadly, its often pitched that way) but differs in that the endorser has received money and/or free services in exchange for their positive endorsement. While their opinions may be authentic, IMHO this type of one-hand-washes-the-other arrangement makes the endorsement suspect (at best) and must be discounted, accordingly. (When you see peeps giving glowing reviews, ASK whether they were given free stuff to say that – I think you’ll be surprised at how often this occurs.)
- Finally, there’s Real Proof. This is objective, indisputable examples of results. Again, using myself as an example, I’ve created 3 technology startups (2 sold for a profit), worked on turning around 3 others (2 successes, 1 failure), and, most frequently and directly, as head of sales & marketing, helped Pictage grow from ~6MM to ~30MM is revenues between 2004-2007. As a demonstration of what I know how to do, I also created the Pictage forums, user groups and PartnerCon. (FWIW, I did NOT invent Pictage’s greatest one-hit moneymaker – the 2for1 idea. That was Debbie Burns, who worked for me at the time. I was just smart enough to test it.
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Using common sense and a some direct questioning will help you Choose Wisely where to spend your hard-earned money and time. Asking for Proof is a great first step.
Jeff

Great post Jeff!
Thx Joseph. Seems logical to me.
Excellent points! And, very timely, given the recent pushback on the plethora of “rockstar” photographers holding workshops on how to run successful photography businesses, when their current business is… holding workshops, and NOT running a photography business. Thanks for the post.
I actually think its possible to have a successful business and teach how-to do stuff, at the same time. In fact, there are plenty of great photogs who can teach excellent technical and artistic skills, and the state of their business has nothing to do with that expertise. (Bob Davis, Zach Arias, come to mind). What I’ve been seeing more of is peeps trying to save their unsuccessful business by charging fees to teach others how to be successful. :O
Bottom line is that, if your “business guide” can’t show you how they’ve experienced REAL success with the ideas they are teaching you – well, you better hope they’re teaching you how to sell that same crap to others.
I completely agree Jeff. In addition to expertise, a presenter needs to know how to communicate and simplify complicated ideas in order for them to be easily understood and quickly implemented. I also think they need to show not only their proven successes, but what they have learned from mistakes they have made in order to help others from making the same mistakes. A true leader and success story is full of challenges with teachable moments.
Clearly you have a knack for communication and clarity, Anne.
Nice to read your lucid voice and advice here. Thanks.
PS. I also think it’s possible to run a successful business and GIVE away business advice, which is what I’ve been doing for the last 5 years. Unfortunately people don’t take you as seriously or value your advice as much when you’re giving it away. There are no secrets, only things people haven’t learned or experienced on their own yet. I think it’s bullshit when people sell something on the basis that it reveals some kind of knowledge that doesn’t already exist in the marketplace- it’s all already out there. People just aren’t willing to, or don’t know how to, implement it in their own life/business.
TOTALLY AGREE! It’s not black-magic. Though, as I said on my Startup-Strategy.com blog, Knowing Ain’t Doing. And I’m also empathetic about free advice (I never charged a single penny for those years when Pictage, deviantART & SmugMug paid my bills).. Luckily, almost all of the peeps I worked with have become great friends and supporters, and (of course) I got my own ego boost and attaboy’s for doing it, so no complaints here. Its an awesome community and paying it forward is ALWAYS a good idea.
This is why I don’t go to WorkShops for business advise. The only way to get business advice that you can trust is from the people you know have a good business…
Being in possibly the most or second most saturated market for photographers, I am a little more cynical about this stuff… What I worry about most are those that don’t have a lot of money, spending a lot of money on workshops that give them basic common sense like answers to business practices.
I also think, that some times, this is a “Buyer Be aware” type of thing and a lot of times, the new folks just cannot be told what to do and they go out and do what they want anyway…
I’ve been EXTREMELY Fortunate in my short photographic career, I have made friends, followed established photographers and really got to see what you need to do…
My first workshop, and second, and third was one of those 4 hour rush through runs with Monte Zucker, although it was a short workshop, there wasn’t NOTHING that could be learned.
My fourth with some one in NYC, Fifth on Long Island, sixth on Long Island.
At all points the person needs to make an assessment, and I am not defending the people that are giving workshops without any business giving them, but I can’t help but feel that some of the ownership of responsibility still falls on the person paying for the workshop.
Everyone will tell you, business is harder than taking the photo, editing the photos and posting them online… but people still feel like photography business should be easy…
Nothing is easy, it all takes work, sometimes you have to buy the snake oil to make it wake you up from the delusion of this being easy….
Business isn’t easy. Couldn’t agree more passionately. That’s why its also so damn hard to learn to do effectively. As someone who promotes building businesses from the ground up (fundamentals before execution), I can tell you, there are no real shortcuts to a sustainable business.
Great advice Jeff. The other side of the issue is that having a successful photography business does not automatically make you a good teacher. And good teachers might not have, in the eyes of others, the most successful studios because they place their emphasis on helping being an artist and helping others. In a workshop on business they would not be the best teacher but in a workshop on craft or art and finding one’s voice they would be mush better than the teacher whose own emphasis is on business. I wear a number of hats in my photography that take me in other directions beyond wedding photography and into commercial and personal work. I am self taught and the most influential teachers that have been the most helpful and life changing to me in my growth are names that most photographers will not know. Their passion is for their own work and for helping other photographers, not stroking their egos. We do not see this in our world of wedding photography. When chosing a workshop the instructor’s motivation also needs to be examined. Why is the workshop teacher offering workshops, beyond the hype of promising that his workshop will “take you to the next level”? I have seen far too many “rockstars” on the platform at WPPI that spent their time telling everyone how great they were and showing their images while “casually” mentioning that they offer workshops. It’s an infomercial. What does the emerging photographer take away from that?
I agree that not everyone can teach, nor should. I also stick to my belief that, in the world of informal education, you can’t teach what you don’t know how to do, and/or can prove you’ve done.
Good stuff! Hope you had a merry Christmas, Jeff
-J
I did! Thx, Jody. We gonna work together this year?